[Catalyst] User Generated Content (project collaboration)

John Napiorkowski jjn1056 at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 16 04:21:49 CEST 2006 

What I think could be really cool about this is if we could make a VMWare appliance out of it will some sort of GUI for people to add the components they want.  All the cool kids are doing this today and I think it would overcome the biggest trouble with adoption, which is getting everything installed.

--john

----- Original Message ----
From: Roman <roman at fili.ca>
To: Catalyst <catalyst at lists.rawmode.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:08:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] User Generated Content (project collaboration)

I certainly don't want to create a new CMS. Well, I do, but this is not 
what I was talking about. That could be some other project. What I was 
talking about is similar to Ning, except without the Wizards and GUI. 
Just a framework that you can build Ning-like/Web 2.0/buzzword sites.

It can be anything:

   * Collections (links, recipes, jokes, images, movies)
   * Social networks (friends, dating, interest groups)
   * Collaborations

But the structure of all those websites is very similar. Users visit the 
site and read content. Once they decide to contribute something, they 
must register. Once registered, they can login. Once they login they can 
add data/content. Admins must manage that content to filter out 
crap/spam/dups/whatnot.



Graham Stead wrote:
> When I think of user generated content I think of CMS, a fairly crowded
> software genre that already contains many mature open source and commercial
> solutions.  I don't personally believe there are great gains to be made
> here, although I could be wrong.
> 
> Looking at something a bit more unusual, an open (Catalyst) version of a
> solution like Ning would be extremely interesting.  I would propose a
> decentralized user base with federated user profiles (i.e., FOAF).
> 
> As a newbie developer, Ning is extremely attractive because it delivers most
> of the glue you need -- including a community of users -- for social
> applications.  You just deliver your unique idea and business logic.  Ning
> removes many obstacles to building a serious site.
> 
> However, serious sites (especially those with commercial aspirations) will
> shy away from Ning because Ning blurs many key issues: who owns the site
> intellectual property; who owns the users?
> 
> Providing an open framework for these types of applications is something
> Catalyst would be great at.
> 
> Just my random thought for the day,
> -Graham
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org 
>> [mailto:catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org] On Behalf Of John 
>> Napiorkowski
>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:30 PM
>> To: The elegant MVC web framework
>> Subject: Re: [Catalyst] User Generated Content (project collaboration)
>>
>> Is this something like HTML::Widget but more so?  I'd be very 
>> interested to see what comes out of this since I've never 
>> been happy with HTML::Widget really, athough I guess there is 
>> a new release out very shortly.  The main reason I am still 
>> using it is because of the DBIx plugin for it that really 
>> cuts down on boilerplate code.
>>
>> I've been building a layout system based on subrequest where 
>> each page region is a subrequest to a portlet-like 
>> controller, that way I can do AJAX style bindings but also 
>> support full page refreshes if necessary.  I'd be happy to 
>> contribute the code if it was useful.
>>
>> Anyway, seems like there is a lot of interest in the parent 
>> idea.  Maybe it's time for all of us to meetup on IRC 
>> something to discuss?  That way we can all get out our ideas 
>> and what we have already done and see if it fits together.
>>
>> With catalyst growing so fast I definitely see the 
>> possibility of several teams reinventing several wheels, 
>> which would be a great shame.  --john
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Matt S Trout <dbix-class at trout.me.uk>
>> To: The elegant MVC web framework <catalyst at lists.rawmode.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:59:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Catalyst] User Generated Content (project collaboration)
>>
>> Dennis Daupert wrote:
>>> */Roman <roman at fili.ca>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>  > I have an idea for a great Catalyst based project that can  > 
>>> really show the power of Catalyst and spawn some extra  > projects 
>>> from this and give Catalyst some coverage.
>>>
>>> I think the time is right. I've tracked other recent posts 
>> (*Sigh. How 
>>> do we get on this list?*) and going back to the Christmas 
>> 'Wish List' 
>>> A number of people have expressed interest/desire in creating/using 
>>> Catalyst to provide a cafeteria of web site components. 
>> Catalyst has 
>>> been maturing to the point that IMHO it's time to build the 
>>> "portals-in-a-box"
>>>
>>> I, too, have been working on similar ideas, and would very 
>> much like 
>>> to play. I have some rough draft web widgets I'd hoped to 
>> have up on 
>>> the internet this past weekend, but life intervened. It 
>> should be up 
>>> soon, tho. I'll be very happy to contribute any code I've put 
>>> together. In my usual 'Creative Ambivalence' fashion I have several 
>>> different directions in mind all at once for a 'configurable web 
>>> portal' toolset that range from development team tools thru 
>> CMS thru ecommerce.
>>
>> We have a sane set of widget classes which integrate 
>> effectiely with normal Catalyst usage already on the build, 
>> combined with a way of handling controller layout that makes 
>> *-in-a-box bolt-ons much easier; expect a public release in a 
>> week or three.
>>
>> Once that's done we'd be interested in feedback as to whether 
>> this would be a suitable basis for this sort of project; it's 
>> certainly going to be for our future re-usable application 
>> components but you guys may have something different in mind, 
>> at which point we'd be happy to refactor to ensure it works out.
>>
>> I've been keeping fairly quiet about this so far because we 
>> don't want to make people stop work while they wait for our 
>> stuff to turn up, but I'm pretty confident we'll have 
>> something out in the open by YAPC::EU, so any of you who're 
>> coming to the Catalyst BoF session there should start making 
>> notes so we can have a proper discussion of this sort of 
>> thing in person.
>>
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