[Catalyst] Re: Last Chance /LastDay:Webdevelopmentplatformcontestand Perl / Catalyst

[Hermida, Leandro]

> And those other languages probably also have choices 
> between templating systems or ORMs. The thing that 
> actually makes Rails so successful is the fact that 
> it has everything already sorted out. You can't really 
> learn Rails without using ActiveRecord for instance.
> 
> If the newbie gives up on Catalyst and ends up learning 
> another language it won't be because of having to learn 
> TT and DBIx::Class along with Catalyst. It would probably 
> because he's a Windows user and things don't work as 
> smoothly as the alternatives. Most people don't really 
> want nor need the flexibility provided by Catalyst, 
> they'd rather have a pre-packaged framework that just 
> works.
> 
> This whole conversation boils down to what are the aims 
> of Catalyst as an open source project. In order to gain 
> popularity there should be less focus on flexibility and 
> more focus on "achievability". However, in most serious 
> developments this won't help much, it'd just be a lot of 
> work and the only benefits might be a dozen new users - 
> there would be no real benefits for the existing users and, 
> most importantly, for the core devs.

I think it is possible to achieve both flexibilty and achieveability in
the same framework.  Catalyst can be "a pre-packaged framework that just
works" with a low cost of entry while still providing flexbility to
advanced users needing more power.