[Catalyst] Is it normal to have lots of trouble installing catalyst?

[apv]

On the heels of that.

All the problems being talked about are prerequisite related
and some just from the complexity of the prerequisite chains.
I had, mostly, the same problems on Darwin as I had on a shared
DreamHost account with Linux. Though there were Catalyst
induced problems just a couple versions ago from the conflicting
build stuff (I think Matt fixed it in 5.61?) which is the only build
experience some have had.

I just upgraded to 5.64 an hour ago and was forced to install
3 new modules--including Spiffy?--to upgrade to the required
version of YAML. Another 2 or 3 new requirements every other
release is playing chicken with your users. There have been
about 50 (I think) added since I first installed Catalyst just a
couple of months ago.

So, the main point for me is that Catalyst is getting big
and adding dependencies to it should not be a casual matter.
If anything, I'd love to see them trimmed down whenever
the chance presents. The cleaner and smaller the core
can stay, the better for everyone who uses Catalyst.

-Ashley

On Tuesday, February 7, 2006, at 06:52  PM, Bill Moseley wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:24:35AM -0800, John Napiorkowski wrote:
>> I'm just asking for people experiences trying to
>> install catalyst.
>
> Anyone on #catalyst yesterday probably could tell I was not very happy 
> with the
> process.
>
> I was trying to install on a reasonably clean Debian Stable machine
> as non-root.  This was on a Dreamhost dedicated server, so it's not
> exactly a fresh Perl installation.
>
> Still ended up with:
>
>     $ du -sh local
>     22M     local
>
>     $ find local -type f | wc -l
>     1630
>
>     $ find local -name \*.pm | wc -l
>     1111
>
> How many of those are acutaly loaded by my application?  Not many, I
> suspect.
>
> How many modules did I install?  I think this shows it:
>
>     $ fgrep 'C<Module>' local/lib/perl/5.8.4/perllocal.pod  | wc -l
>     62
>
> How many did I request:
>
>     $  fgrep install .cpan/histfile | sort | uniq | wc -l
>     31
>
> But a number of those were trying to get dependencies installed (see
> below).
>
>
> I took a few tries actually -- after the first attempt I thought it
> just couldn't be that hard, so I wiped the install dir and tried again
> just to see if it was really that much of a PITA.
>
> A few people told me that using the most current version of CPAN.pm
> would help.  So, I started fresh and first upgraded CPAN.pm.  (I also
> tried CPANPLUS but I don't have notes why I gave up on that right
> away.)
>
> The updated CPAN.pm didn't help.  The main problem was some modules
> require PREFIX and Module::Install require install_base.  So I would
> have to watch for errors, exit CPAN shell, edit .cpan/CPAN/MyConfig.pm
> and start again.
>
> Supposedly, Module::Build in CVS can now handle PREFIX.  Just hard to
> imagine that something as mature as Perl needs something from CVS or
> the latest version of CPAN just to install language extensions.
>
> Took me half of the day if you include the chatting and whining on
> IRC.  Made me really miss the Debian package system.
>
> I asked for help on the Makemaker list:  "Sorry, PREFIX is not
> supported":
>
>   http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.makemaker/
>
> You can see the suggestions I got, which I couldn't get to work.
>
>
> What percent of Catalyst has binary extensions?  A few simple
> tarballs would have made things much easier.
>
>
>
> See if anyone can guess at what points I stopped for beer.
>
>
>     $ fgrep install .cpan/histfile
>     install Catalyst
>     install Catalyst
>     install Text::SimpleTable
>     install Catalyst
>     install Catalyst
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::SubRequest
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::FillInForm
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::RequestToken
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::RequestToken
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::RequestToken
>     force install Catalyst::Plugin::RequestToken
>     install Data::UUID
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Session
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Cache::FileCache
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Cache::FileCache
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Unicode::Encoding
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Session::State::Cookie
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication::CDBI
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::Session::FastMmap
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::PageCache
>     install Catalyst::Plugin::PageCache
>     install Rose::Object
>     install Encode
>     install DateTime::Format::Pg
>     install DateTime::Format::Builder
>     install DateTime::Format::Builder
>     install DateTime::Format::Builder
>     install DateTime::Format::Pg
>     install DateTime::Format::Pg
>     install File::MimeInfo
>     install Class::DBI::Sweet
>     install Data::Page
>     install SQL::Abstract
>     install Class::DBI::Sweet
>     install Class::DBI::Sweet
>     install Bottle::Opener
>     install version
>     install version
>     install version
>     install Class::DBI
>     install Class::DBI::Sweet
>     install Class::DBI::Sweet
>     install Catalyst::View::TT
>     install Catalyst::View::TT
>     install DateTime
>     install DateTime
>     install DateTime
>     install Template::Plugin::Class
>     install Template::Plugin::Class
>     install HTML::Tidy
>     install HTML::Tidy
>     install Catalyst::View::JSON
>
>
>
>
>     $ history | grep apt-get
>       218  sudo apt-get install postgresql-dev
>       242  sudo apt-get install postgresql
>       281  sudo apt-get install postgresql-contrib
>       442  sudo apt-get install tidy libtidy-dev
>       493  sudo apt-get install shared-mime-info
>
> -- 
> Bill Moseley
> moseley at hank.org
>
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