[Catalyst] So, what do we want in the -next- book?

[Andrew Kornak]

Personally, I would like any book on Catalyst, even if it was only a
single chapter in a larger MVC treatment. I bought Jonathan's book and
contrary to another poster's opinion found it quite useful.

-Andrew

On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:03 -0500, Mitch Jackson wrote:
> I'd like to see a walkthrough of good MVC separation in practice.
> This took me a while to get through my stubborn skull, and would be
> good material to a new Catalyst developer.  My first few Cat apps
> suffered heavily from having too much logic in the controllers.
> 
> The example could look something like this:
> - Put this logic into a model method and why
> - Build a .t file to test the model method ( possibly include
> deploying and testing against a mock database )
> - Build a .pl file, outside the catalyst web app that uses the method
> - Finally, use the method from your catalyst action
> 
> This not only suggests good practice to the reader, but shows them how
> to do it properly and gives them hands-on with the benefits of the
> approach.
> 
> /Mitchell K. Jackson
> 
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Ian Sillitoe <ian at sillit.com> wrote:
> > So as I said - I contacted O'Reilly to request info/submit interest in a
> > Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices. I've been in contact with a chap called
> > Andy Oram who seems to be O'Reilly's Perl Guy (FWIW he also seems a nice,
> > but very busy, guy). I was waiting for him to give me the nod before posting
> > the following thread to the mailing list...
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
> > I just had a moment to reply. You can post my reply to the mailing list--I
> > do appreciate that you asked first. Results of my asking around are
> > discouraging. I will try to do some more research next week, but this is a
> > busy time for me. (I have only 6 days at home during the whole month of
> > April.)
> >
> >  Andy
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: "Ian Sillitoe" <ian.sillitoe at googlemail.com>
> >  To: "Andy Oram" <andyo at oreilly.com>
> >  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:28:34 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
> >  Subject: Re: Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices
> >
> >  Andy,
> >
> >  Thanks for getting back to me. It would obviously be nice to see
> >  O'Reilly give Catalyst the full "Best Practices" treatment, however as
> >  you say, a more simple "Catalyst Cookbook/Hacks" book of code snippets
> >  would presumably be much easier to produce/edit and therefore more
> >  likely to happen. The Catalyst POD docs are already pretty good and
> >  will undoubtably continue to improve. However most Catalyst
> >  developers, i.e. the people that would actually fork out money (or get
> >  their employers to fork out money) to buy the book, would probably be
> >  very happy just to get the interesting snippets in lots of different
> >  case scenarios.
> >
> >  Also, I was going to post the reply you gave on the Catalyst mailing
> >  list - but it feels a bit rude without at least asking you first - any
> >  objections?
> >
> >  Lots of people would be really interested in any further developements
> >  so if you had a chance to update me when you hear anything, I would be
> >  really grateful.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Ian
> >
> >
> >  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >  From: Andy Oram <andyo at oreilly.com>
> >  Date: Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:46 PM
> >  Subject: Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices
> >  To: ian.sillitoe at googlemail.com
> >
> >
> >  I just had a moment to reply to your request for a Catalyst Cookbook,
> >  which was forwarded to me because I edit most of our Perl books now.
> >
> >   I appreciate your contacting us, and I'll ask the Stonehenge trainers
> >  as well as the many O'Reilly employees who are heavily involved in
> >  Perl development. Unfortunately, it's very hard to make money on books
> >  about Web frameworks. Even the Rails market, which used to be very
> >  good, is weakening.
> >
> >   Basically, the success of the open source movement makes book
> >  publishing difficult. There are lots of competing frameworks and
> >  languages. There are core groups of excited users for each one, but
> >  rarely do they add up to a market for a book.
> >
> >   But we'll see what our Perl contacts say. The idea of bypassing the
> >  tutorial and writing a cookbook is appealing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Ian Sillitoe <ian.sillitoe at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Pierre Moret <pierre at sw2.ch> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > [...] Or like others have suggested, a cookbook with a large variety
> > of useful examples showing "best practices" for different situations.
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That's exactly what I would like to see. I got the first book (thanks!)
> > and would buy such a cookbook immediately.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Seconded... and, like one of the previous posters, I've also added my
> > tuppence to (proposals@) O'Reilly (.com) suggesting they get on the case.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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