[Catalyst] Re-enable digest mode?

[Lampert, Hugh]

Well, I respectfully submit that the purpose of a digest is so people can archive the mailing list themselves in their e-mail systems, one digest per day.  An RSS feed does not easily allow this, and for a busy list like this one, a subscriber might receive many messages per day, the number of which could rapidly increase into the thousands in the inbox.  Filtering these many messages into a folder, as you suggest, will more than likely mean that for me they will never get looked at at all, as I receive many, many emails that require my attention every day.

I use Outlook for my corporate mail system and I know your opinion of the way it works Matt.  I like to keep up with Catalyst as much as possible but not enough to have to monitor an RSS feed or thousands of individual e-mails in my business mailbox. I have an alternate suggestion.  Re-enable digests for those who subscribe to the traditional function of a "mailing list" and don't want to be flooded by individual e-mails, and revoke and block the subscriptions of those who subscribe but don't know how to respond properly and spam the list by responding improperly to the digest.

I have already unsubscribed from the Catalyst list for my personal mail box, which collects on a somewhat limited portable micro drive.  If I can't get a digest I guess I will have to unsubscribe from the list from my corporate mail box as well, as I don't want to awkwardly manage thousands of individual e-mails.  While I can make some time to scan the subjects of the digest when it comes into my mailbox during my work day, I'm afraid I will not have time to monitor yet another RSS feed, so it will be so long Catalyst info.  Too bad for me, I guess.

Interestingly, I will continue to subscribe to the DBIx-Class list, as the digest for that has NOT been turned off as of yet.  Are the subscribers to that list just more intelligent?


Hugh Lampert
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matt S Trout [mailto:dbix-class at trout.me.uk] 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:45 PM
To: The elegant MVC web framework
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Re-enable digest mode?

On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:52:58AM -0500, Lampert, Hugh wrote:
> Up until this week I was receiving the Catalyst list e-mails in digest form.  This week I'm getting individual e-mails.  When I checked the list server options it told me digest mode had been disabled by the administrator.  It's hard for me to process multiple individual e-mails from the Catalyst list along with my other e-mail; is there any way digest mode could be re-enabled?

No.

People consistently sign up to digests and then reply to them, spamming the list with a day's worth of messages for a second time and blowing away any hope of threading.

You can get a feed from

http://grokbase.com/group/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk?format=atom

(which being a Catalyst-powered site is probably going to archive this list pretty much indefinitely :)

or you can configure your mail setup to siphon the messages off into a folder. Both approaches will give you all the advantages of digests without leaving us with the traffic/noise disadvantages.

A mailing list lives and dies by the quality of its postings (and for every one digest user there are dozens more people searching the archives), so disabling digests was a conscious choice to optimise for signal/noise ratio.

If you don't have a useful mail client and don't want to take a feed, I have a (somewhat hacky) script I use to handle sorting that needs nothing but an IMAP connection to talk down (and some perl :); I'll send a copy on request.

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