On 22 Feb 2009, at 22:28, Larry Leszczynski wrote: > I'm using Catalyst 5.8.5 so I can make use of any of forward, detach, > visit, go, etc. Not helpful to your main email, but there is no such version as 5.8.5? I assume you mean 5.8000_05, which is a developer release? Cheers t0m