[Catalyst] [Absolute Beginner] Navigation Q Part II i18n and URIs

[Ekki Plicht (DF4OR)]

Am Montag 23 August 2010, 22:13:51 schrieb Nicholas Wehr:
> again I shamelessly plug this module; works like a champ (proven w/
> it,ja,en,br,de,fr,es,zh)! ;)
> 
> Catalyst::Plugin::Localize::Simple

Hi Nate,
thanks for the hint.
But I have already started to learn gettext tools and wrote some mo/po files. 
As my learning curve(s) are pretty steep and multiple at the moment, I am not 
much inclined now to lear how .yaml files work. Sorry :)

But I like the feature of Localize::Simple that you don't need a restart of 
the server to include recent changes in the .yaml files. Maybe that will get 
me interested in the long term.

Cheers,
Ekki



> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Ekki Plicht (DF4OR) <ep at plicht.de> wrote:
> > Thanks  Mike, that looks promising. But as of now I have problems getting
> > I18N
> > to work at all. See other message.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Ekki
> > 
> > Am Samstag 21 August 2010, 16:43:09 schrieb Mike Raynham:
> > > Hi Ekki,
> > > 
> > > I'm quite new to Catalyst too, and purely out of curiosity, I have
> > > recently been looking into I18N.  I thought that you might find
> > > Catalyst::Plugin::I18N::Request useful - it might be just what you are
> > > after.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > 
> > > Ekki Plicht (DF4OR) wrote:
> > > > Hi Robert,
> > > > your comments were most helpful, many thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > As it is so often - after sending the message I did some more
> > > > thinking and started to realize that my approach - starting with the
> > > > controller
> > 
> > -
> > 
> > > > is probably not the best way to design this app.
> > > > And your comments encourage me that I have to think about the model
> > 
> > much
> > 
> > > > more and probably first.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you charge for a day of consulting? :-) It's time that I
> > > > visit Hamburg again...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Some details from your reply:
> > > > 
> > > > Am Samstag 21 August 2010, 00:46:14 schrieben Sie:
> > > >> Some things to consider:
> > > >> · Should the user be able to override the language?
> > > > 
> > > > Of course.
> > > > 
> > > >> · Do you want to separate language by domain or URI part?
> > > > 
> > > > URI part or parameter, undecided.
> > > > I have never done this until now, but I want to extract the preferred
> > > > language from the header, if set and if supported. If not an app wide
> > > > default kicks in, which the user can override later on, this override
> > > > value is persistent by a cookie, session racking or some such.
> > > > 
> > > >> What would happen if someone who only accepts DE as language
> > > >> requests the EN page?
> > > > 
> > > > Customer is king, she gets what she wants.
> > > > 
> > > >> Browser language detection is pretty easy with the I18N
> > > >> plugin, but the implementation of the language logic is dependent on
> > > >> what you want to happen.
> > > > 
> > > > I will look at that, tnx.
> > > > 
> > > >> Both the language and the article to display are variables in the
> > > >> process of displaying the page. The language can come from a cookie,
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > >> browser language setting, a query parameter, the domain name, a part
> > 
> > of
> > 
> > > >> the URI, or multiple of those using the first it can find.
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'd always advise to build the actual business logic of the
> > 
> > application
> > 
> > > >> outside of the web front-end.
> > > > 
> > > > Absolutely, that's why I decided to go with Catalyst :-)
> > > > 
> > > >>> What I am envisioning is a central file where I (somehow, XML?,
> > > >>> database?) maintain a navigation tree (ok, 5 or more), mapping menu
> > > >>> entries to URIs. Some process then maps these entries to actions.
> > > >>> But how?
> > > >> 
> > > >> As a model. Look at Config::Any (already used by Cat) for loading of
> > > >> configuration files. For a database model I'd point you towards
> > > >> DBIx::Class, but mostly because of community-size and personal
> > > >> preference. There are other solutions, but I feel it is a good
> > > >> start.
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, I am already working through some light weight examples with
> > > > DBIx::Class, that's most likely the way to go.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > [...]
> > > > 
> > > > And all the rest, as I said helpful. Many thanks.
> > > > 
> > > > Gruß,
> > > > Ekki
> > > > 
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