[Catalyst] Sending 3000 emails.

Sun Nov 29 01:31:05 GMT 2015

I'll add that you should look into a transactional email partner like
sendgrid, mailgun, etc.  They'll help you stay out of the  black lists by
showing you what not to do, ans how to set up DKIM, etc. for authentication
of your email.

I use sendgrid professionally, with one of my cusotmers that sends a lot of
email.

If your volume is under 10k emails per month, sendgrid is free, and they
have a templating feature which allows you to upload a template
(parameterizable) and let them to the mail merge on their servers, for up
to one thousand addresses per tx.

So instead of generating 3000 emails and pushing them through your smtp
server, you'd upload the template file, and push three 1000-name lists to
to sendgrid and let them take care of delivery.  Something to think about.

Len.

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Lasse Makholm <lasse at unity3d.com> wrote:

> Maybe not the answer you're looking for but I'd go with an email service
> such as sendgrid which takes most if not all of the pain out of sending
> emails. They have a simple REST API you can POST your email to and provides
> callbacks for delivery notifications etc as well...
>
> I'm not advocating sendgrid over any other service (I'm sure there are
> plenty others) - it's just the one I have experience with... They
> apparently have a free tier as well....
>
> /L
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Octavian Rasnita <orasnita at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A queue in Perl is better when there is a need of sending thousand
>> messages.
>> Without a queue, if the Catalyst-based code just sends the messages
>> directly and a browser is waiting for a page to load after the web app sent
>> them, it may time-out. But otherwise it should work and not crash the web
>> app.
>> 3000 messages should be sent pretty fast if they are sent to the local
>> SMTP server, but not fast enough for a pleasant experience.
>>
>> Regarding the success of those messages... if you don't want them to
>> reach in the spam folder, it helps to sign them by using SPF/DKIM. If
>> you'll find this complicated, a better solution might be to create an
>> account on a site like mailgun.com or mandrill.com and send the messages
>> using their servers. They offer APIs that you can use in your app very
>> easy. mailgun.com allows sending 10,000 messages/month for free and
>> after that limit the prices are pretty cheap. You will have reports with
>> the list of email messages that bounced that you can get programaticly,
>> plus a few other helpful features.
>>
>> --Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Andrew <catalystgroup at unitedgames.co.uk>
>> *To:* The elegant MVC web framework <catalyst at lists.scsys.co.uk>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:32 PM
>> *Subject:* [Catalyst] Sending 3000 emails.
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> You lot are all experts at Catalyst and Perl,
>> and because I'm using Perl to code a Catalyst program, I wanted to ask
>> you about a problem I've encountered.
>>
>> The Catalyst app I'm coding is to replace a PHP website, which presently
>> allows an admin to manage sending out an email to all members. The site has
>> 3000 odd members. From what I could tell, the PHP code was simply using the
>> PHP mail function to send email (although it did in my experience typically
>> take two days for everyone to receive an email sent with it).
>> I've also been asking other Perl programmers when I've had the chance -
>> and the only concerns raised, were about IP blacklisting or emails bouncing
>> back - not about actual code working.
>>
>> So could sending 3000 emails be as simple as Matt's old CGI form mail?
>>
>> I had a look on CPAN, and found the simple looking Email::Stuffer,
>> and wrote a script, sending an email to myself, and it worked.
>> I then modified the script to pick five email addresses from a MySQL
>> database, and email them, and again - it worked.
>> Okay - one final change - throwing 3000 email addresses at it.
>> How does that do....?
>> Starts to work - then throws up an Internal Server Error in the browser
>> window,
>> and I find out my Fast CGI Plack Up server thingie isn't up, nor running
>> my Catalyst app anymore.
>> I have to type plackup and my details, etc, again from the command prompt.
>> A log in to Web Host Manager (this is an apache2 VPS with CPanel) and a
>> check of the "View Sent Summary" shows 1020 emails sent - 611 successful,
>> 642 deferrals and 329 failures...curious, as that adds up to more than
>> 1020, =S. If I click through for more details, it shows 1582 records - some
>> with green ticks, and others with amber or red exclamation marks, ^_^.
>> I can worry about IPs and failure rates later....
>>
>> ....I just want to know why the whole FastCGI Plack loaded Catalyst app
>> came down half way through,
>> and how I can have a Perl script process sending 3000 emails without that
>> happening every time, =S.
>>
>> Do I need to use a queue within Perl? Or does the postfix/sendmail on the
>> server, automatically queue everything for me? If so - why did my code
>> crash the Catalyst app, and not send all the emails? >_<.
>>
>> I'm guessing this is a common problem - how does a website email all its
>> signed up members - and so there must surely be a common solution
>> among Perl / Catalyst users....?
>>
>> Any help, appreciated!
>>
>> Yours,
>> Andrew.
>>
>>
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