<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>retracing my steps, i see that NEXT works for all of the methods i listed except 'forward'.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>sub forward {</DIV><DIV> my $c = shift;</DIV><DIV> my $action = shift; </DIV><DIV> local $" = ", ";</DIV><DIV> my @args = (@_ and ref $_[0] eq 'ARRAY') ? @{ $_[0] } : (); </DIV><DIV> $c->timer(2, "Forward to " . (ref($action) || $action) . (@args ? "(@args)" : '')); </DIV><DIV> return $c->NEXT::forward($action, @_); </DIV><DIV>} </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>with that, i get</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>[debug] "GET" request for "/" from "x.x.x.x"</DIV><DIV>[debug] Found sessionid "d4a42345c52677ec5e5ded26790e91edd4389287" in cookie</DIV><DIV>[debug] Restored session "d4a42345c52677ec5e5ded26790e91edd4389287"</DIV><DIV>[info] Request took 0.018640s (53.648/s)</DIV><DIV>.----------------------------------------------------------------+-----------.</DIV><DIV>| Action | Time |</DIV><DIV>+----------------------------------------------------------------+-----------+</DIV><DIV>'----------------------------------------------------------------+-----------'</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>but if i s/NEXT/SUPER/, then it works as expected.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Then again, I never use the debugger, I'm of the "you can have (printf|warn) when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers" debugging school :)</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>that it my usual method and works great for in-house code, but copying CPAN modules into my personal lib directories so i can fill them with warn statements has its own annoyances, so sometimes i resort to the debugger using the guidance of Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial::Debugging.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Nov 21, 2006, at 7:21 AM, Matt S Trout wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Michael Reece wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">i will, but not until the warnings in Catalyst::Plugin::C3 are less foreboding.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">They're unlikely to get any less foreboding unless people test it and report back - you could at least *try* loading it and provide the results ...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">but let's pretend i am talking about Class::C3 instead; my question still stands.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">should i just call next::method in all cases, or is it only appropriate for certain overrides?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>is there an easy way to determine when to use one (NEXT or Class::C3) versus the other (SUPER)?</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I don't remember the last time I used SUPER.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Then again, I never use the debugger, I'm of the "you can have (printf|warn) when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers" debugging school :)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">List: <A href="mailto:Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org">Catalyst@lists.rawmode.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; 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