<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi John,<br><br></div>I&#39;ve been looking at this some more and I&#39;m not sure if the server is set up correctly.<br><br></div>These problems may not occur on a properly configured server.<br><br></div>I&#39;ll let you know when I&#39;ve got more information.<br><br></div>Regards<br><br></div>Duncan<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:22 PM, John Napiorkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jjn1056@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jjn1056@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>If you are installing Catalyst over a previous </span>setup, or at least something where Moose already exists try using the moose-updated helper script to see if that clears stuff up -jnap</div>  <div><br></div><br><div><br><br></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, May 14, 2015 4:47 AM, Duncan Garland &lt;<a href="mailto:duncan.garland@motortrak.com" target="_blank">duncan.garland@motortrak.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> </font> </div>  <br><br> <div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi John,<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>I didn&#39;t save all the terminal output, but here&#39;s what I have got from the second attempt.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Regards<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Duncan<br clear="none"><div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:30 PM, John Napiorkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:jjn1056@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jjn1056@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr"><span>I&#39;d love to see a full install attempt.  I was getting tests for Perl down to 5.8.8 before we release so I am not aware of a hard dependency on </span><span style="font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,&#39;Segoe UI&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Tie::StdHash.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,&#39;Segoe UI&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2">However I don&#39;t use cpanplus, and I write my own <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://makefile.pl/" target="_blank">makefile.pl</a>, not the one that Catalyst::Devel writes.  Its possible that something is going on there.  If someone can reproduce and send me an install trace I will review.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2">The intention for Catalyst is to run on the oldest Perl possible.  However I am finding particularly with the unicode stuff that getting a stable setup lower than 5.14 is a bit hard.  I do use 5.10.1 at work and we have it running there without trouble FWIW</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2">John</font></div>  <div dir="ltr"><span> </span></div><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:23 PM, Robert Brown &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:rob@intelcompute.com" target="_blank">rob@intelcompute.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div>  <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div><div><div>
    Interesting, we don&#39;t use local::lib, just perlbrew, both dev and
    production, and keep the whole perlbrew dir in svn, works great.<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    Will let the catalyst devs answer the actual/original question...<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    <div><div>On 13/05/15 19:01, Duncan Garland
      wrote:<br clear="none">
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                <div>Hi,<br clear="none">
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                We don&#39;t use perlbrew on production, but I&#39;ve used it in
                other areas without a problem. As far as I know it&#39;s
                very highly regarded.<br clear="none">
                <br clear="none">
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              I&#39;ve used local::lib successfully for development work ie
              Temporarily pointing to some different modules.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
            </div>
            I spent quite a lot of time at the beginning of this year
            trying to set it up so that we could use it seriously. I
            wanted to be able to do a twice yearly update from CPAN of
            all our modules into a seperate directory structure so that
            it would be easy to revert if the updated tree turned out to
            contain a bug.<br clear="none">
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          local::lib plays nicely with cpan but not with cpanplus. The
          default way for a Catalyst app to maintain it&#39;s dependencies
          is to maintain Makefile.PL. When you run that it uses
          cpanplus. I struggled with it for quite a while and gave up.<br clear="none">
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        All the best.<br clear="none">
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        <div>On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Robert
          Brown <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:rob@intelcompute.com" target="_blank">rob@intelcompute.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br clear="none">
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            <div> Not to answer your
              actual question, but...<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              Have you also thought using Perlbrew <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://perlbrew.pl/" target="_blank">http://perlbrew.pl</a><br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              As regular user, you can install any version of Perl
              locally (to your home dir), plus all the modules via
              cpanm, and keep everything self-contained for a particular
              user.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              It&#39;s made our deployments a breeze, rather than dealing
              with the system-wide perl, etc.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              (There&#39;s also local::lib tho I&#39;ve not delved into that
              myself).<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              Hope it helps a little.<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              Rob<br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              <br clear="none">
              <div>On 13/05/15 18:16, Duncan Garland wrote:<br clear="none">
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                              <div>Hi,<br clear="none">
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                              I&#39;ve just spun up a Rackspace server with
                              Ubuntu 14.04 and tried to install Catalyst
                              from CPAN.<br clear="none">
                              <br clear="none">
                            </div>
                            If the print out means what it seems to
                            mean, then Catalyst will no longer install
                            cleanly from CPAN on any version prior to
                            5.20.<br clear="none">
                            <br clear="none">
                          </div>
                          <div>It&#39;s saying that there is a dependency on
                            Tie::StdHash and that Tie::StdHash won&#39;t
                            install without force because the latest
                            version of the module is part of
                            perl-5.20.2.<br clear="none">
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                          It won&#39;t effect me because I&#39;ll just force it
                          or download an older version of the module.<br clear="none">
                          <br clear="none">
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                        All the same, it seems a bit poor.<br clear="none">
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                      Is it deliberate?<br clear="none">
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                    <div>Regards<br clear="none">
                      <br clear="none">
                    </div>
                    <div>Duncan<br clear="none">
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