<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10752" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_12333">I would think that this could be used by Plack middleware and Catalyst as core session functionality. So I don't think in the end its either or.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10752" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10752" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_12334">Aran, the main thing I can't figure is how to have a cookie storage... since that's gotta be aware of the request/response cycle. I'd adopt this in a moment for new code if we could figure that part out. Personally I just put a few tiny IDs in the session so cookie storage is more than enough, and nice for quick prototypes.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10752" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10752" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_13899">Any thoughts? You can hit me out on IRC #catalyst if that is either - jnap</span></div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10794"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10792" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10791"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10790"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10793"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_12335"> On Thursday, July 9, 2015 10:35 AM, Aran Deltac <bluefeet@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10789"><div id="yiv2594395069"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10788"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_10787">Ya, I have Plack::Middleware::Session listed in the alternatives section of the manual. Thanks for the reply!<br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2594395069gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_11115"><div class="yiv2594395069yqt3586630024" id="yiv2594395069yqtfd16866"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_13900">On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 7:14 AM Hartmaier Alexander <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:alexander.hartmaier@t-systems.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:alexander.hartmaier@t-systems.at">alexander.hartmaier@t-systems.at</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv2594395069gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_11114">
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did you look at <span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_13901">Plack::Session if you want something decoupled from Catalyst?<br clear="none">
I haven't used it so far as I don't require sessions that are shared with non-Catalyst stuff but it might be a better base for a futureproof session module.<br clear="none">
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<div>On 2015-07-09 02:17, Aran Deltac wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_11111">Hey guys,
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1436469380853_13904">I've been working on a project which is a (mostly) drop in replacement for Catalyst::Plugin::Session. Here are the GitHub repos:</div>
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<div>The manual is a good place to start:</div>
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<div>I'm using this @work and will be deploying it to production, replacing Catalyst::Plugin::Session, sometime next week if all goes well this week.</div>
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<div>I've not put these modules on CPAN yet as I'd love some feedback before I do so. I want to make sure the module names, the interfaces, and just the entire design are acceptable to people. I want this to be a real step forward.</div>
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<div>@work we've made extensive use of Catalyst::Plugin::Sesssion for years now, and related modules such as Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication. So far everything has "just worked" when I replaced Catalyst::Plugin::Session with Catalyst::Plugin::Starch.</div>
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<div>Why do this?</div>
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<ul><li>Catalyst::Plugin::Session (C:P:S) is slower in NYTProf reports than I would expect it to be.
</li><li>C:P:S is tied into Catalyst. This is unnecessary. Catalyst should be used to glue things together, not as a platform to build whole technologies on. By decoupling sessions from Catalyst many wins can be had in reusability and unit testing (etc?).
</li><li>C:P:S can be difficult and messy to extend. This is partly due to how Catalyst plugins work, but also due to the design of C:P:S.
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