<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:12.8px">Matt,<br>Thanks for chiming in. Since the voting period is over, it looks like the proposal has passed. Since Frew has firstcome, I believe the next steps are his.<br><br>Cheers<br></div><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU" style="font-size:12.8px"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Matt S Trout <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mst@shadowcat.co.uk" target="_blank">mst@shadowcat.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This doesn't appear to have fully displayed in the web archives so I'm<br>
replying-to-self with the full text quoted in the hopes that works to give<br>
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On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 05:31:56PM +0000, Matt S Trout wrote:<br>
> A little late to the party, but I needed to get my thoughts straight.<br>
><br>
> I originally intervened because the plan as I then understood it was "end<br>
> DBIC feature development and transfer ownership to an unknown CPAN author who<br>
> wasn't one of the main contributors so far as I could tell" (though of course<br>
> I couldn't be sure because I didn't know - and still don't - who it was<br>
> intended to be).<br>
><br>
> From my point of view "end feature development" is effectively equivalent to<br>
> "declare project over" (and that seems to be a relatively common POV, as the<br>
> responses to a certain recent <a href="http://perl.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">perl.com</a> article have made quite visible), and<br>
> I felt that the community should have some input into so momentous and<br>
> potentially irrevocable a decision.<br>
><br>
> The eventual end result of the debate on the list seemed to indicate that<br>
> continuing to move forward - albeit extremely carefully, as befits an<br>
> infrastructure level project - was the general consensus, but the sheer<br>
> vitriol level of the discussion left me substantially burned out in terms<br>
> of the project.<br>
><br>
> I was *expecting* that one or both of "mst recovers from burnout wrt DBIC" or<br>
> "community engages and starts making proposals" would happen within a few<br>
> months; neither did, and it's now a little over a year on and I still haven't<br>
> been able to muster the time and motivation to get things moving forwards<br>
> again. I was, admittedly, hoping to do that shortly, but given I've been in<br>
> a mental state of "hoping to do that shortly" for about the past year I don't<br>
> think it's reasonable or fair to ask people to rely on it coming true *this*<br>
> time, especially given I don't think I can honestly claim that *I'm* convinced<br>
> I'm not still deluding myself in that regard.<br>
><br>
> So at this point, the decision under discussion is basically "retain the<br>
> status quo, with the attached risk of de-facto death by good intentions that<br>
> never go anywhere" versus "give the project to the only person other than me<br>
> with a truly in-depth understanding of the architecture who's also the only<br>
> person other than me to have led the project, who's now indicated that he is<br>
> once again willing to do so".<br>
><br>
> I think under the circumstances it's pretty clear which of these options<br>
> gives DBIC the better odds and best opportunity for ongoing success.<br>
><br>
> As such:<br>
><br>
> +1<br>
><br>
> -- mst, out.<br>
><br>
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