[epo-core] What are we going to -do- with this non-profit we have, anyway?

[Matt S Trout]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:18:17AM +0100, Mike Whitaker wrote:
> Is peregrin on this list?

This is the core list, so no. He probably could be though, we've let
a couple of the rabble in already :)
 
> >Somebody (I'll try to have a play with this, but anybody else  
> >interested
> >should too) should start learning Perl::Critic policy writing as  
> >well. I
> >want an enperl coding standard that can be shared across the  
> >community;
> >the closest we currently have now is DBP and I Am Not Happy With That.
> 
> Module::Starter::EnPerl as well? :)

That would be good, yes.

Huh. things to sponsor: some SODDING DOCUMENTATION FOR MODULE::INSTALL

> While we're at it...
> 
> Books.
> 
> The non-online and active part of the Perl community learns its Perl  
> from books.

And perl.com - which is why we really need to engage there even with its
disadvantages.

I read a lot more perl.com than I did books in my early days.

> They therefore think the Llama and the Camel are the bible, and if  
> you're very lucky, they believe in PBP and perhaps Conway's OO book.  
> If miracles happen, they read the testing notebook!

Ha. I didn't. learned out of Learning+Programming+Cookbook and then the
rest came from perldocs, perl.com and perldesignpatterns.com - the latter
of which isn't pimped nearly enough.

> To engage them, which I suspect represents a sizeable percentage of  
> Perl programmers, we need better books that embrace $extended_core  
> and writing modern Perl.

I was trying to discuss with with ORLY but not getting much of anywhere.

Somebody else should prod chromatic about this; I'm now likely tied up
doing another cat tome with kd.
 
> Question, though: what percentage of Perl programmers DO we think  
> that is? It's pretty much 80% of my team, as a very small sample - if  
> it wasn't for my every-Friday 'cool modern Perl' presentations,  
> they'd still think Class::Std was cutting edge.

The "perl community" as we know and interact with it is an echo chamber.

Which reminds me, we should make sure any article published about a dist
is linked strongly in the POD for that dist if possible - perl.com and
search.cpan.org will be our two key ways of establishing visibility online
so we -must- get the backlinks in.

I also think we need an ASCII mail sig button that'll show up on list
archives (quite a bit of SC's business comes from my .sig). See below for
a sketch at it. (or possibly a series of JAEPHs :)

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