[epo-core] What are we going to -do- with this non-profit we have, anyway?

[Matt S Trout]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 07:46:46AM -0700, J. Shirley wrote:
> > I'm not sure if jay thought we meant the Catalyst site, which is going
> > to be a community effort - I was talking about perl.org itself, which is
> > awful, and maybe later seeing if we can hold a contest to do a use.perl.org
> > redesign (this will mean me finding somebody who can talk to pudge and
> > see if he'd be willing, but I don't see why not).
> >
> 
> No.  I think qr/.*perl.*/  tends to look terrible.  The perl sites are
> somewhat disjointed, they have wildly different looks and nearly all
> of them are terrible.
> 
> I think the Catalyst site in its current form is nicer than most, once
> we get the docpages and the wiki over to a unified layout it's just
> that much better, but for now it's fine.
> 
> I also don't think Catalyst should have any additional preferential
> treatment purely because of its connection.

No, but, Catalyst, DBIx::Class and Moose are all important to the enperl
concept. So are a number of other projects.

I wouldn't consider their site designs as important if we -could- get
*.perl.org designs fixed - but then again, we -are- catalyst.perl.org
and moose.perl.org after all so I guess maybe it counts :)

Maybe I could sponsor the sysadmin to accidentally delete maypole.perl.org
while he's there ...
 
> Maybe Schwern, Stevan and a few others would help not only in quality,
> but in getting the reputation points out there.

Yeah, absolutely. 
 
> >> >"Enlightened Perl presents the Perl Luminaries Awards, brought to you
> >> >by (Six Apart|Yahoo!|Shadowcat)" has a nice ring to it. I think that
> >> >to get corporate sponsors we'd have to have specific return points
> >> >-and- a dedication to it.
> >>
> >> I like that. Might be worth asking Y! if they'd be willing :)
> >> (Although we are phasing out Perl for new developments... but that's
> >> apparently because we can't hire enough Perl devs, which comes back
> >> to the perception issue.)
> >>
> 
> [replying out of order, because this is the only bit from Mike's post
> I wanted to address]
> 
> I think that Y! would be a stretch, but if we provide significant
> value add to their offerings it is entirely possible.  I don't know
> what the significant value add would be, and I don't think that we can
> really endorse YUI over jQuery or Dojo.

No reason we can't do some stuff "in collaboration with" their
respective sponsors/foundations, though.

> There are plenty of other perl-based companies.  If we could partner
> up with jobs.perl.org, perhaps give automatic sponsorship for job
> postings for enperl sponsors?  Just need to get the proper reciprocal
> deals going, and I think a lot of companies would want to be
> involved... Since it is a non-profit, I believe that means all
> sponsorships would be tax deductible, right?  That would complicate
> the partnership with jobs.perl.org I would think, but I'm not a
> lawyer, accountant or anything of legal importance.

mdk can probably speak to UK law, I'm sure we can find out for US but
I'm 99% sure it's true, except that there's fun in the US about if you
earmark a donation for somewhere specific it's harder to claim tax back
because they try and argue that the earmark means it was really work for
hire. Or Something. rdice said that this was the main reason that TPF
wouldn't let people allocate/earmark at all, but I don't think I really
understood how that conclusion followed so I may have misunderstood the
precending material too :)

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