[Epo-marketing] Re: [Epo-members-announce] Adding Padre, the Perl IDE as and EPO project

[Jay Kuri]

Hi Christopher,

I see your point regarding existing tools and scratching developer =

itches but I have to respectfully disagree here.
Remember, EPO is not only about improving code, it is very much about =

improving how Perl is perceived and how easy it is to get Perl used in =

the enterprise.

Point 1 of EPO's aims ( as documented here: =

http://www.enlightenedperl.org/about.html ) is:

 > 1) Improvements to the public facing parts of existing Perl projects, =

including design and content organisation and
 > accessibility, by co-operation with the projects involved to see =

where their volunteer capacity is lacking;

I think Padre provides a massive improvement in the public facing =

aspects of writing Perl code.  Like it or not, people, especially =

executives, often judge technologies by what tools are available to work =

with them.  Padre does a great job of being both a general purpose =

editor and a Perl specific toolset / environment.  It also improves =

Perl's image in general by making Perl more accessible to newcomers =

(especially with context sensitive help)  Which is in line with Point 2 =

and 5 of EPO's aims:

 > 2) Eliciting the creation and/or improvement of tutorials, =

screencasts, books, reference documentation, training courses
 > and other accessible documentation to make it easier for new users to =

get started with modern Perl;

 > 5) Grants for development of specific pieces of code that scratch no =

developer's itch, but make corporate
 > and/or hobbyist adoption of enlightened Perl easier;

Padre makes it easier to get started with Perl full stop.  With the =

possible exception of streamlining CPAN installation, Padre meets all of =

the code related goals stated by the EPO itself.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find another project that is in line =

with so many of EPOs goals at once.

Jay




Christopher Humphries wrote:
> I have no interest in Padre as a EPO project. I'd rather see Perl =

> integration in existing IDEs/environments people already use instead =

> of introducing a brand new one, that is WX Perl at that.
>
> Expand more on Eclipse, vim, Emacs, IDEA, Visual Studio, etc. Things =

> programmers already use.
>
> We don't need more tools, we need more support for Perl, Moose, =

> Catalyst in existing tools.
>
> "How can you help me solve my problem" should be a focus, not "check =

> out more features in this other place". Features are interesting, =

> solving software problems is useful. Tinkering is fun, but getting =

> stuff done pays the bills. I think EPO should help on that front, it's =

> what companies care about, and for me personally as a programmer, it's =

> what I care about when I need to get work done for my company and =

> other contracts.
>
> In my opinion,
> Christopher Humphries
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Gabor Szabo <szabgab at gmail.com =

> <mailto:szabgab at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     only two votes?
>
>
>     On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Mark Fowler
>     <mark at twoshortplanks.com <mailto:mark at twoshortplanks.com>> wrote:
>     > Count my vote in.
>     >
>     > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Kiffin Gish
>     <kiffin.gish at planet.nl <mailto:kiffin.gish at planet.nl>> wrote:
>     >> You wouldn't have to bend my arm too hard to vote for Padre.
>     >>
>     >> On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 13:29 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>     >>> I am really not sure what does it take for Padre, the Perl IDE
>     to become
>     >>> an EPO project but I'd appreciate if you considered voting it
>     to become
>     >>> one and then start promote it through the regular channels.
>     >>> (Mentioning it on the EPO web site, creating a beer mat etc.)
>     >>>
>     >>> As to the why would Padre be important to the Enlightened or
>     Modern
>     >>> Perl movement.
>     >>>
>     >>> Padre is the first modern open source development environment
>     for Perl
>     >>> that allows people not familiar with vi/emacs to write high
>     quality Perl code.
>     >>>
>     >>> Having a built in graphical debugger, an editor (and soon
>     debugger) for
>     >>> regular expression, context sensitive help both for core perl
>     functions
>     >>> and for CPAN modules, class browser, context aware auto
>     completion,
>     >>> refactoring tools for Perl will soon turn Padre into the
>     leading platform
>     >>> to write Perl on.
>     >>>
>     >>> Not only this but Padre can be a tool to make it easy to start
>     using other
>     >>> EPO supported projects. See the Catalyst plugin of Padre.
>     >>>
>     >>> Uh I am bad at writing promotional material...
>     >>>
>     >>> Gabor
>     >>>
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>     >>
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> Kiffin Gish <Kiffin.Gish at planet.nl <mailto:Kiffin.Gish at planet.nl>>
>     >> Gouda, The Netherlands
>     >>
>     >>
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