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Hi Christopher,<br>
<br>
I see your point regarding existing tools and scratching developer
itches but I have to respectfully disagree here. <br>
Remember, EPO is not only about improving code, it is very much
about improving how Perl is perceived and how easy it is to get Perl
used in the enterprise. <br>
<br>
Point 1 of EPO's aims ( as documented here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.enlightenedperl.org/about.html">http://www.enlightenedperl.org/about.html</a> ) is:<br>
<br>
> 1) Improvements to the public facing parts of existing Perl
projects, including design and content organisation and <br>
> accessibility, by co-operation with the projects involved to see
where their volunteer capacity is lacking;<br>
<br>
I think Padre provides a massive improvement in the public facing
aspects of writing Perl code. Like it or not, people, especially
executives, often judge technologies by what tools are available to
work with them. Padre does a great job of being both a general purpose
editor and a Perl specific toolset / environment. It also improves
Perl's image in general by making Perl more accessible to newcomers
(especially with context sensitive help) Which is in line with Point 2
and 5 of EPO's aims:<br>
<br>
> 2) Eliciting the creation and/or improvement of tutorials,
screencasts, books, reference documentation, training courses<br>
> and other accessible documentation to make it easier for new users
to get started with modern Perl;<br>
<br>
> 5) Grants for development of specific pieces of code that scratch
no developer's itch, but make corporate <br>
> and/or hobbyist adoption of enlightened Perl easier;<br>
<br>
Padre makes it easier to get started with Perl full stop. With the
possible exception of streamlining CPAN installation, Padre meets all
of the code related goals stated by the EPO itself.<br>
<br>
I think you'd be hard pressed to find another project that is in line
with so many of EPOs goals at once.<br>
<br>
Jay<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Christopher Humphries wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:9fb0e6fc1002131742x65f08238u8d6cdeff0d556589@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I have no interest in Padre as a EPO project. I'd rather
see Perl integration in existing IDEs/environments people already use
instead of introducing a brand new one, that is WX Perl at that.
<div><br>
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<div>Expand more on Eclipse, vim, Emacs, IDEA, Visual Studio, etc.
Things programmers already use.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We don't need more tools, we need more support for Perl, Moose,
Catalyst in existing tools.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"How can you help me solve my problem" should be a focus, not
"check out more features in this other place". Features are
interesting, solving software problems is useful. Tinkering is fun, but
getting stuff done pays the bills. I think EPO should help on that
front, it's what companies care about, and for me personally as a
programmer, it's what I care about when I need to get work done for my
company and other contracts.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In my opinion,</div>
<div>Christopher Humphries</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Gabor Szabo
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:szabgab@gmail.com">szabgab@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">only
two votes?<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Mark Fowler <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mark@twoshortplanks.com">mark@twoshortplanks.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Count my vote in.<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Kiffin Gish <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kiffin.gish@planet.nl">kiffin.gish@planet.nl</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> You wouldn't have to bend my arm too hard to vote for Padre.<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 13:29 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote:<br>
>>> I am really not sure what does it take for Padre, the Perl
IDE to become<br>
>>> an EPO project but I'd appreciate if you considered voting
it to become<br>
>>> one and then start promote it through the regular channels.<br>
>>> (Mentioning it on the EPO web site, creating a beer mat
etc.)<br>
>>><br>
>>> As to the why would Padre be important to the Enlightened
or Modern<br>
>>> Perl movement.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Padre is the first modern open source development
environment for Perl<br>
>>> that allows people not familiar with vi/emacs to write
high quality Perl code.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Having a built in graphical debugger, an editor (and soon
debugger) for<br>
>>> regular expression, context sensitive help both for core
perl functions<br>
>>> and for CPAN modules, class browser, context aware auto
completion,<br>
>>> refactoring tools for Perl will soon turn Padre into the
leading platform<br>
>>> to write Perl on.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Not only this but Padre can be a tool to make it easy to
start using other<br>
>>> EPO supported projects. See the Catalyst plugin of Padre.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Uh I am bad at writing promotional material...<br>
>>><br>
>>> Gabor<br>
>>><br>
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>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Kiffin Gish <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Kiffin.Gish@planet.nl">Kiffin.Gish@planet.nl</a>><br>
>> Gouda, The Netherlands<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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