[Epo-members-announce] Adding Padre, the Perl IDE as and EPO project

[Christopher Humphries]

We'll have to agree to disagree, then :)

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Jay Kuri <jayk at ionzero.com> wrote:

>  Hi Christopher,
>
> I see your point regarding existing tools and scratching developer itches
> but I have to respectfully disagree here.
> Remember, EPO is not only about improving code, it is very much about
> improving how Perl is perceived and how easy it is to get Perl used in the
> enterprise.
>
> Point 1 of EPO's aims ( as documented here:
> http://www.enlightenedperl.org/about.html ) is:
>
> > 1) Improvements to the public facing parts of existing Perl projects,
> including design and content organisation and
> > accessibility, by co-operation with the projects involved to see where
> their volunteer capacity is lacking;
>
> I think Padre provides a massive improvement in the public facing aspects
> of writing Perl code.  Like it or not, people, especially executives, oft=
en
> judge technologies by what tools are available to work with them.  Padre
> does a great job of being both a general purpose editor and a Perl specif=
ic
> toolset / environment.  It also improves Perl's image in general by making
> Perl more accessible to newcomers (especially with context sensitive help)
> Which is in line with Point 2 and 5 of EPO's aims:
>
> > 2) Eliciting the creation and/or improvement of tutorials, screencasts,
> books, reference documentation, training courses
> > and other accessible documentation to make it easier for new users to g=
et
> started with modern Perl;
>
> > 5) Grants for development of specific pieces of code that scratch no
> developer's itch, but make corporate
> > and/or hobbyist adoption of enlightened Perl easier;
>
> Padre makes it easier to get started with Perl full stop.  With the
> possible exception of streamlining CPAN installation, Padre meets all of =
the
> code related goals stated by the EPO itself.
>
> I think you'd be hard pressed to find another project that is in line with
> so many of EPOs goals at once.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> Christopher Humphries wrote:
>
> I have no interest in Padre as a EPO project. I'd rather see Perl
> integration in existing IDEs/environments people already use instead of
> introducing a brand new one, that is WX Perl at that.
>
>  Expand more on Eclipse, vim, Emacs, IDEA, Visual Studio, etc. Things
> programmers already use.
>
>  We don't need more tools, we need more support for Perl, Moose, Catalyst
> in existing tools.
>
>  "How can you help me solve my problem" should be a focus, not "check out
> more features in this other place". Features are interesting, solving
> software problems is useful. Tinkering is fun, but getting stuff done pays
> the bills. I think EPO should help on that front, it's what companies care
> about, and for me personally as a programmer, it's what I care about when=
 I
> need to get work done for my company and other contracts.
>
>  In my opinion,
> Christopher Humphries
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Gabor Szabo <szabgab at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> only two votes?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Mark Fowler <mark at twoshortplanks.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Count my vote in.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Kiffin Gish <kiffin.gish at planet.nl>
>> wrote:
>> >> You wouldn't have to bend my arm too hard to vote for Padre.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 13:29 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>> >>> I am really not sure what does it take for Padre, the Perl IDE to
>> become
>> >>> an EPO project but I'd appreciate if you considered voting it to
>> become
>> >>> one and then start promote it through the regular channels.
>> >>> (Mentioning it on the EPO web site, creating a beer mat etc.)
>> >>>
>> >>> As to the why would Padre be important to the Enlightened or Modern
>> >>> Perl movement.
>> >>>
>> >>> Padre is the first modern open source development environment for Pe=
rl
>> >>> that allows people not familiar with vi/emacs to write high quality
>> Perl code.
>> >>>
>> >>> Having a built in graphical debugger, an editor (and soon debugger)
>> for
>> >>> regular expression, context sensitive help both for core perl
>> functions
>> >>> and for CPAN modules, class browser, context aware auto completion,
>> >>> refactoring tools for Perl will soon turn Padre into the leading
>> platform
>> >>> to write Perl on.
>> >>>
>> >>> Not only this but Padre can be a tool to make it easy to start using
>> other
>> >>> EPO supported projects. See the Catalyst plugin of Padre.
>> >>>
>> >>> Uh I am bad at writing promotional material...
>> >>>
>> >>> Gabor
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Kiffin Gish <Kiffin.Gish at planet.nl>
>> >> Gouda, The Netherlands
>> >>
>> >>
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