[Catalyst] Catalyst at YAPC 2005

Perrin Harkins perrin at elem.com
Fri Jul 1 16:53:39 CEST 2005

On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 09:14 +0200, Danijel Milicevic wrote:
> Some guys
> who attended to your talk thou apparently only remember the lack of
> documents in regards to Catalyst, like:
> http://use.perl.org/~da/journal/25428

He says several things there, not just one.  You are focusing on the
only negative thing.

What he's referring to here is that when I demonstrated the auto-CRUD
modules for Catalyst and OI2 I mentioned that the Catalyst one was more
difficult to get going and required reading the source for most of the
modules involved.  This is entirely true.  (See the mailing list
archives for threads about CRUD where people less determined than me
ended up deciding it was just broken and giving up.)

The newer one Sebastian posted last week looks better, but since auto-
CRUD is not a focus for Catalyst it's not surprising that the current
CRUD module has not received much attention and is thus very minimal and
not easy to use.  (I also talked about the minimalist templates being a
reaction to problems the team had when supporting Maypole.)

> and I don't wanna start arguing if
> OP2 really is better than Catalyst right now

OI2 is better for certain types of people working on certain types of
projects, which I explained in the talk.  I did not portray it as a

> We wish to do something about the docs and Jesse Sheidlower setup a
> small Roadmap for the docs on the development wiki. Maybe you'd like to
> take a look and add a few points so we can work about that?

Jesse and I both live in New York and we've been friends since before
Catalyst.  We often talk about this stuff off-list.

- Perrin

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