[Catalyst] Maxipoint Spam

Stanley Shivell sshivell at gmail.com
Thu Apr 6 18:46:51 CEST 2006

So I have a question regarding the feasibility of Catalyst being provided by
a hosting provider.

I haven't found any companies that do provide catalyst, aside from the
spamhost in this email thread, and I was wondering how  the install would

It seems to me that Catalyst comes out with new goodies and  bug fixes quite
often, and I'd be concerned that by relying on a hosting provider for my
catalyst install, that I wouldn't get timely bug fixes or updates if they
didnt' update it's install often enough... At the same time I'd be concerned
with using a hosting provider that just updated the install with out
adequate notification. I'd like to be able to test the new version with my
code before switching....   So with that issue alone I'd be curious to see
how the Hosting provider would support   something that is in such heavily
devleopment.     (Speaking of which... how often do catalyst upgrades break
older catalyst apps? I guess that would depend on what I was using... but
does this happen? How often?)

Additionally, I have never written a perl or catalyst apps on a shared
hosting provider... and I've found that when I do write applications on the
servers that I have,  I quite often have to hit up Ye Olde CPAN and get a
few extras that I need.    Assuming the host provides catalyst, the selling
point of that host (to me at least) would be the fact that I don't have to
deal with the  irritation of CPAN as non-root....  how willing are hosting
providers to install CPAN modules upon request of their customers...
especially customers who have one of their lower-end packages. I would guess
that they would not  be that cooperative or at least very slow to get it
done.  Which would quickly become irritating thus eliminating the selling
point of finding a host that provides catalyst over a host that will let you
just install modules as non-root. (Such as Dreamworks). Has anyone found
hosting providers that are cooperative and willing to install modules that
aren't already installed?

Anyhoo... those are my thoughts and questions.


On 4/6/06, Mark Blythe <list at markblythe.com> wrote:
> In case anybody is keeping a tally, I just got the Maxipoint spam on my
> PAUSE email as well.
> On 4/6/06, Steve Atkins < steve at blighty.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Apr 6, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Bernhard Graf wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday 06 April 2006 17:42, Matt S Trout wrote:
> > >> Matt S Trout wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> <abuse at siriuswebhosting.com>:
> > >>> does not like recipient.
> > >>> Remote host said: 550 sorry, no mailbox here by that name.
> > >>> (#5.7.17) Giving up on .
> > >>
> > >> Reported to siriuswebhosting via their contact form and to nac.net,
> > >> who own the IP block.
> > >
> > > Or simply get a SpamCop account, because SpamCop does all this for
> > > you.
> > > In addition SpamCop offers an RBL for your MTA (I wouldn't use it, but
> > > others do, that's why some providers take SpamCop reports seriously).
> >
> > Wildly OT at this point, but if you're going to report spam, report
> > it manually.
> >
> > A lot of spamcop reports are frivolous or mistargeted. The accuracy
> > of them
> > varies depending on the recipient ISP - they're OK for simple DSL
> > providers,
> > but tend to be quite inaccurate at webhosts or bandwidth providers.
> > They're
> > also so badly mangled by the spamcop system that they're not usable for
> > enforcement. The most ISPs tend to do is to count them.
> >
> > A single manual report will often be worth dozens of spamcop reports and
> >
> > will usually get much more attention.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >    Steve
> >
> >
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