[Catalyst] Gentlemen, a call to arms!

[Sascha Kiefer]

Okay. It's done.
Perl is now among the choices: http://www.plat-forms.org/
(http://www.plat-forms.org/faq.htm)
But we just won a battle, not the war yet.
So, lets bring it on.

We should at least get 2 teams that already live in germany.
And maybe we can give a cent ot two for a foreign team.

Myself is living in dubai right now. so i'm not sure if I'm able to
participate at all.

Hang loose,
--esskar

> -----Original Message-----
> From: catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org 
> [mailto:catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org] On Behalf Of Dami 
> Laurent (PJ)
> Sent: Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2006 16:22
> To: The elegant MVC web framework
> Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Gentlemen, a call to arms!
> 
>  
> 
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org
> > [mailto:catalyst-bounces at lists.rawmode.org] De la part de John 
> > Napiorkowski Envoyé : mercredi, 11. octobre 2006 22:15 À : 
> The elegant 
> > MVC web framework Objet : Re: [Catalyst] Gentlemen, a call to arms!
> > 
> > -- Matt S Trout <dbix-class at trout.me.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > http://www.plat-forms.org/faq.htm
> > > 
> > > They're having a platform war. We're forever left out of
> > the ruby vs. 
> > > python games, the "enterprise" people ignore us (though 
> really, I'm 
> > > not sure I mind that :) but ...
> > > 
> > > "We have been considering Perl as one of the platforms to
> > be admitted
> > > to the contest. So far, we have decided against it because
> > we believe
> > > that too few professionals use it professionally for us to
> > hope to get
> > > enough requests for admittance for the Perl platform.
> > > 
> > > If you are a team that would like to participate and would
> > like to use
> > > Perl, please contact prechelt at inf.fu-berlin.de (Lutz Prechelt)."
> > > 
> > > This is a bit of a shotgun e-mail. Several list admins 
> are probably 
> > > going to attempt to track me down and shoot me in the 
> head. I don't 
> > > care.
> > > 
> > > Our community has repeatedly failed to market it's way out
> > of a paper
> > > bag, I've even helped contribute to this with my eminently
> > forgettable
> > > London Web Frameworks Night talk. But this is about
> > producing working
> > > code. *That* we know we can do.
> > > 
> > > Stand up and be counted. It's gotta be good for a laugh 
> if nothing 
> > > else.
> > 
> > From reading that webpage I think they are looking more for 
> requests 
> > from teams that would actually be willing to go to Germany on the 
> > competition date.  I'm not sure if we all just wrote, "Hey 
> I'm an IT 
> > consultant using Perl/Catalyst or Perl/FrameworkOfChoice 
> and think you 
> > are making a big mistake not putting Perl on your list." if 
> that would 
> > sway them.
> > 
> > They are betting no one will put up the cash to sponsor a 
> Perl team.  
> > And they are looking for several teams for each platform, enough to 
> > make a contest between developers in a platform meaningful.
> > 
> > The rules specify that they won't be comparing platforms, so their 
> > won't be any, "Perl versus ROR verus J2EE" going on.
> > So that's why they want enough people for a given platform 
> to show up.
> > 
> > Now if we could identify some awesome Catalyst developers who could 
> > are willing and available to go to the contest and then 
> raise money to 
> > send them I think it could raise their attention.  We have 
> to decide 
> > if this particular contest represents a good investment of our time 
> > and cash.  Perhaps some of the local or reasonable local 
> Perl Mongers 
> > could send some teams?  It would show the strength of the community.
> > 
> > Anyone know more about the actual status and recognition of this 
> > contest?  Would having perl programmers at it meaningfully 
> add to our 
> > mindshare in the enterprise?
> > 
> > --john
> > 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think this contest is a very good opportunity for Perl and 
> Catalyst to get more recognition. About the status of this 
> contest, I guess nobody knows much more than what is on the 
> website, but I can imagine that the final report will have 
> quite a broad audience. The previous paper by Lutz Prechelt 
> (An empirical comparison of seven programming languages) is 
> cited quite often, as it is one of the very few sources for a 
> fully objective comparison of several languages, ignoring the 
> hype and religious wars.
> 
> As John wrote, the best way to convince the organisers to 
> change their mind is if they get several requests from Perl 
> teams to participate in the contest. The call for 
> participation says "Preferably, all three participants should 
> come from the same organization". So, if your organisation is 
> using Perl/Catalyst  -- I hope there are more than a few 
> nowadays -- , then please write to the contest organizers 
> saying that you would like a Perl track to be opened. Also, 
> we should probably alert the Jifty, Maypole, 
> CGI::Application, etc. communities to join that lobbying effort.
> 
> Laurent Dami.
> 
> 
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