[Catalyst] So, what do we want in the -next- book?

[Ali M.]

i completly oppose another cookbook for catalyst

catalyst need an indepth book that describe its design!
the first book was very much a learning by example book, which is
close to a cookbook

and the main complain or the bad review where that, after reading the
book, developers still didnt not understand how catalyst work (for
exampl how subroutines attributes are used)

we need a book with diagrams that exlpain the different pieces of catalyst

a cookbook maybe be easier to write, but its not what i think is needed
a cookbook is for people who already knows catalysts, this book trend
will make catalyst a very exclusive framework only used by perl
experts!

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Ian Sillitoe <ian at sillit.com> wrote:
> So as I said - I contacted O'Reilly to request info/submit interest in a
> Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices. I've been in contact with a chap called
> Andy Oram who seems to be O'Reilly's Perl Guy (FWIW he also seems a nice,
> but very busy, guy). I was waiting for him to give me the nod before posting
> the following thread to the mailing list...
>
>
> ----
>
>
> I just had a moment to reply. You can post my reply to the mailing list--I
> do appreciate that you asked first. Results of my asking around are
> discouraging. I will try to do some more research next week, but this is a
> busy time for me. (I have only 6 days at home during the whole month of
> April.)
>
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Sillitoe" <ian.sillitoe at googlemail.com>
> To: "Andy Oram" <andyo at oreilly.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:28:34 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
> Subject: Re: Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices
>
> Andy,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. It would obviously be nice to see
> O'Reilly give Catalyst the full "Best Practices" treatment, however as
> you say, a more simple "Catalyst Cookbook/Hacks" book of code snippets
> would presumably be much easier to produce/edit and therefore more
> likely to happen. The Catalyst POD docs are already pretty good and
> will undoubtably continue to improve. However most Catalyst
> developers, i.e. the people that would actually fork out money (or get
> their employers to fork out money) to buy the book, would probably be
> very happy just to get the interesting snippets in lots of different
> case scenarios.
>
> Also, I was going to post the reply you gave on the Catalyst mailing
> list - but it feels a bit rude without at least asking you first - any
> objections?
>
> Lots of people would be really interested in any further developements
> so if you had a chance to update me when you hear anything, I would be
> really grateful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andy Oram <andyo at oreilly.com>
> Date: Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:46 PM
> Subject: Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices
> To: ian.sillitoe at googlemail.com
>
>
> I just had a moment to reply to your request for a Catalyst Cookbook,
> which was forwarded to me because I edit most of our Perl books now.
>
>  I appreciate your contacting us, and I'll ask the Stonehenge trainers
> as well as the many O'Reilly employees who are heavily involved in
> Perl development. Unfortunately, it's very hard to make money on books
> about Web frameworks. Even the Rails market, which used to be very
> good, is weakening.
>
>  Basically, the success of the open source movement makes book
> publishing difficult. There are lots of competing frameworks and
> languages. There are core groups of excited users for each one, but
> rarely do they add up to a market for a book.
>
>  But we'll see what our Perl contacts say. The idea of bypassing the
> tutorial and writing a cookbook is appealing.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Ian Sillitoe <ian.sillitoe at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Pierre Moret <pierre at sw2.ch> wrote:
> >
> > > Jon wrote:
> > >
> > > > [...] Or like others have suggested, a cookbook with a large variety
> of useful examples showing "best practices" for different situations.
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > That's exactly what I would like to see. I got the first book (thanks!)
> and would buy such a cookbook immediately.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Seconded... and, like one of the previous posters, I've also added my
> tuppence to (proposals@) O'Reilly (.com) suggesting they get on the case.
> >
> >
>
>
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