[Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl MVCFramework" yet?

[Octavian Rasnita]

IMHO the dispatching is a very important chapter for a web framework, 
especially for Catalyst that has so many things to offer in this field.

And another important thing is to show how Catalyst works alone, without an 
ORM, without a templating system, without a form processor, with the warning 
that this not the right way to do it, but it is very important for the 
beginners to see which are the things that depend on Catalyst and which are 
those that depend on the ORM or templating system.

And another important thing is to use a lot of warnings that "This is not 
the right way" when DBIC code is used in the controllers for beeing easier 
to understand by the beginners, but to let them know that that way of doing 
things should be avoided.

And it should be very helpful to show examples of models that get data and 
save data, but models that don't use an ORM like DBIC.

--Octavian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kieren Diment" <diment at gmail.com>
To: "The elegant MVC web framework" <catalyst at lists.scsys.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl 
MVCFramework" yet?


Wrong book.  The discussion was about the new edition of the Packt book. 
You appear to be referring to the Apress book "The Definitive Guide to 
Catalyst"

With the Apress book, we assumed that you could read the freely available 
tutorial already, so our aim wasn't to duplicate that.

Should we ever go to second edition I'd like to significantly expand the 
cookbook chapter (which I must respectfully disagree is of great usefulness 
to the beginner - I'm also strongly of the opinion that the Chained dispatch 
type chapter is also of great use to the beginner, although the point may 
not be immediately apparent until you start designing your own application's 
dispatch structure).

On 25/10/2010, at 11:23 AM, John Karr wrote:

> It came out just as I was trying to learn catalyst. From a beginner
> perspective it wasn't of any value -- thankfully Kennedy Clark has been
> doing an excellent job with the Tutorial on CPAN, because that's how I
> figured most things out. I was severely disappointed with the book, and 
> not
> the least concerned with LOLCats and Kitty Pidgin. The people who wrote 
> the
> book are a very knowledgeable group and sometimes their book works as a
> reference, but overall doesn't seem add a lot to what's already in the
> documentation, while being of no value to beginners whatsoever.
>
>
>
> It would be nice to have a good beginner book and a more advanced book. If
> any of the more advanced programmers on this list would like someone to 
> help
> with writing the beginner book, don't hesitate to get in touch!
>
>
>
>
> From: Philip Medes [mailto:pmedes_2000 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 5:33 PM
> To: The elegant MVC web framework
> Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl
> MVC Framework" yet?
>
>
>
> I actually read the first 2 chapters and tried the examples.   I haven't 
> had
> time to finish the book.
> I haven't read any other books on Catalyst, but I do like the Sitepoint
> books better ("Build Your Own Ruby On Rails Web Applications").
>
>  _____
>
> From: Kiffin Gish <kiffin.gish at planet.nl>
> To: catalyst at lists.scsys.co.uk
> Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 3:15:47 PM
> Subject: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl MVC
> Framework" yet?
>
> I recently received a copy of the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl MVC
> Framework" for review, have read it and tried out the examples.
>
> Before I make my judgments public, I'd first be curious to hear from
> others in the Catalyst Community about what their views are on the
> book.
>
> Those that have "actually read" the book, that is. I've already seen a
> couple blog entries and they tend to be fairly negative (we sure prefer
> to rant).
>
> -- 
> Kiffin Gish <Kiffin.Gish at planet.nl>
> Gouda, The Netherlands
>
>
>
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