[Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl MVCFramework" yet?

[Steve]

On 10/26/2010 3:36 AM, David Schmidt wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Octavian Rasnita<orasnita at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> IMHO the dispatching is a very important chapter for a web framework,
>> especially for Catalyst that has so many things to offer in this field.
>>
>> And another important thing is to show how Catalyst works alone, without an
>> ORM, without a templating system, without a form processor, with the warning
>> that this not the right way to do it, but it is very important for the
>> beginners to see which are the things that depend on Catalyst and which are
>> those that depend on the ORM or templating system.
>>
>> And another important thing is to use a lot of warnings that "This is not
>> the right way" when DBIC code is used in the controllers for beeing easier
>> to understand by the beginners, but to let them know that that way of doing
>> things should be avoided.
>>
>> And it should be very helpful to show examples of models that get data and
>> save data, but models that don't use an ORM like DBIC.
>>
>> --Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kieren Diment"<diment at gmail.com>
>> To: "The elegant MVC web framework"<catalyst at lists.scsys.co.uk>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl
>> MVCFramework" yet?
>>
>>
>> Wrong book.  The discussion was about the new edition of the Packt book. You
>> appear to be referring to the Apress book "The Definitive Guide to Catalyst"
>>
>> With the Apress book, we assumed that you could read the freely available
>> tutorial already, so our aim wasn't to duplicate that.
>>
>> Should we ever go to second edition I'd like to significantly expand the
>> cookbook chapter (which I must respectfully disagree is of great usefulness
>> to the beginner - I'm also strongly of the opinion that the Chained dispatch
>> type chapter is also of great use to the beginner, although the point may
>> not be immediately apparent until you start designing your own application's
>> dispatch structure).
>>
>> On 25/10/2010, at 11:23 AM, John Karr wrote:
>>
>>> It came out just as I was trying to learn catalyst. From a beginner
>>> perspective it wasn't of any value -- thankfully Kennedy Clark has been
>>> doing an excellent job with the Tutorial on CPAN, because that's how I
>>> figured most things out. I was severely disappointed with the book, and
>>> not
>>> the least concerned with LOLCats and Kitty Pidgin. The people who wrote
>>> the
>>> book are a very knowledgeable group and sometimes their book works as a
>>> reference, but overall doesn't seem add a lot to what's already in the
>>> documentation, while being of no value to beginners whatsoever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be nice to have a good beginner book and a more advanced book. If
>>> any of the more advanced programmers on this list would like someone to
>>> help
>>> with writing the beginner book, don't hesitate to get in touch!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Philip Medes [mailto:pmedes_2000 at yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 5:33 PM
>>> To: The elegant MVC web framework
>>> Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl
>>> MVC Framework" yet?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually read the first 2 chapters and tried the examples.   I haven't
>>> had
>>> time to finish the book.
>>> I haven't read any other books on Catalyst, but I do like the Sitepoint
>>> books better ("Build Your Own Ruby On Rails Web Applications").
>>>
>>>   _____
>>>
>>> From: Kiffin Gish<kiffin.gish at planet.nl>
>>> To: catalyst at lists.scsys.co.uk
>>> Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 3:15:47 PM
>>> Subject: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl MVC
>>> Framework" yet?
>>>
>>> I recently received a copy of the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl MVC
>>> Framework" for review, have read it and tried out the examples.
>>>
>>> Before I make my judgments public, I'd first be curious to hear from
>>> others in the Catalyst Community about what their views are on the
>>> book.
>>>
>>> Those that have "actually read" the book, that is. I've already seen a
>>> couple blog entries and they tend to be fairly negative (we sure prefer
>>> to rant).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kiffin Gish<Kiffin.Gish at planet.nl>
>>> Gouda, The Netherlands
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> I want to toss in my experience with the books. "The Definitive Guide
>> to Catalyst" (Apress) is the one I'd recommend. I read it once when I
>> was fairly new to Catalyst and then I didn't consider it a perfect
>> beginners book.
>>
>> I couldn't grasp many of the concepts explained there. But with time
>> spent working with Catalyst you notive how parts of what you've read
>> are stuck in your head and you return to the book to reread chapters.
>> Some things I wouldn't have understood if they hadn't been explained
>> before in #catalyst
>>
>> Lately i've read the book again and this time everything made sense.
>> In summary, if you want to learn Catalyst, buy this book, read the
>> Online Tutorial. Build some applications, read the book again. Hang
>> out in #catalyst. ... and eventually you will get the hang of it.
>>
>>
I had a very similar experience.  Being relatively new to web 
development, I immersed myself into the mailing lists (Catalyst | DBIC | 
Moose).  Key to my success was writing some fairly simple code using 
just Moose, or just DBIC.  Now that I'm somewhat literate in Catalyst, I 
find myself looking for help with complex forms.