[Catalyst] re catinabox -- have you ever actually done this on a non-root server? Re: Catalyst Documentation

[Thomas Hartman]

PS, it's my opinion that catalyst hosting with uml may be a viable
business. If I had a bit more time and know how, I'd be tempted to try
it myself.

2006/6/1, Thomas Hartman <thomashartman1 at googlemail.com>:
> Catalyst is so heavily tied in to DBIC that I don't think I want to go
> that route.
>
> And since CatInTheBox doesn't include DBIC, I wouldn't suggest that either.
>
> Barring more positive experiences, I stick to my assertion that if the
> "heavy" version can't be easily installed in a non root environment,
> then new users should be warned away from doing so until and unless
> this is sorted out.
>
> There are XEN/UML plans for only ten dollars more a month than
> dreamhost, after all. And I think many catalyst new adopters are
> likely to be people who have outgrown php, want to try something with
> a bit more flexibility, and have *some* degree of unix/systems
> knowhow. This type of user will view configuring a new server from
> scratch as a challenge and a learning experience IF that is what they
> are told from the outset that that is what they will have to do, and
> the wiki has good handholding in this regard.
>
> But if you try to sell catalyst as something appropriate for a shared
> (non root) environment, and that's not really so, that will reflect
> badly on the project.
>
> That said, I will try the shadowcat installer in my relatively virgin
> dreamhost account and see how that goes.
>
> thomas.
>
> 2006/6/1, Bill Moseley <moseley at hank.org>:
> > On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 01:05:51PM +0200, Thomas Hartman wrote:
> > > have you actually tried this on a shared (non root) server?
> >
> > Yes, I have a Cat running on a Dreamhost machine.  It's a dedicated
> > server, but it's set up very similar to their shared machines, same
> > perl, installed modules, etc., AFAIK.
> >
> > > CPAN kept saying, can't do this without sudo
> > > this, and asking me if I should install such and so dependency (even
> > > though I had follow turned on in my cpan config). Dependency hell.
> >
> > Ya, it sucked when I did it, too.  I remember having this error early
> > on, but I seemed to have fixed it.
> >
> >     You are not allowed to write to the directory
> >         '/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4';
> >
> > but that might be due to the fact that one of the first things I did
> > was to upgrade CPAN.pm.  I upgraded CPAN.pm because setting up
> > MyConfig.pm like the Calendar suggests didn't work.  Unfortunately,
> > upgrading CPAN.pm didn't solve the problem I was having.
> >
> > The problem I was having was that Makefile.PL and Module::Build
> > packages are not handled the same by CPAN.pm and when install would
> > fail I'd have to go in and modify my MyConfig.pm.
> >
> > I have in MyConfig.pm:
> >
> >   # Swap these lines when CPAN pukes
> >    'makepl_arg' => q[INSTALLDIRS=site install_base=/home/moseley/local],
> >   # 'makepl_arg' => q[INSTALLDIRS=site PREFIX=/home/moseley/local],
> >   mbuildpl_install_arg => q[INSTALLDIRS=site install_base=/home/moseley/local],
> >
> > So every so often CPAN would bomb saying install_base or PREFIX not
> > supported and I'd have to go edit MyConfig.pm.  I ended up
> > hand-installing quite a few modules instead of using CPAN.pm.
> >
> >
> > > Supposedly cpanplus improves things significantly, if you have the
> > > right linux kernel, if you have the right version of perl... if, if
> > > if. Eventually I just gave up.
> >
> > Supposedly.  I tried cpanplus and has worse luck than with CPAN.
> >
> > All this is crazy, of course.  For the vast majority of the modules I
> > needed to install all that needs to be done is have them copied to
> > the right location.  A single tarball with Catalyst and a big chuck
> > of the plugins could be installed with a single tar zf command in
> > about 10 seconds.
> >
> > Cat-in-a-box is the way to go.  There just needs to be a "heavy"
> > version that contains the recommended dose of plugins and helper
> > modules.
> >
> > Here's where my install stands now:
> >
> >     $ find local -name \*.pm | wc -l
> >     1329
> >
> >     $ du -sh local
> >     34M     local
> >
> >     $ find local -type f | grep Catalyst | wc -l
> >     170
> >
> >     $ find local -name \*.pm | grep Catalyst | wc -l
> >     65
> >
> >     $ find local -name \*.pm | grep Plugin | wc -l
> >     68
> >
> > I'll bet there's a big part of that my Cat application never touches.
> >
> > If you want, email me off list and I'll tar it up for you.  You might
> > be able to just unpack it someplace and be ready to go.  Or it might
> > blow up.  It doesn't have DBIC, and I'm using my own versions of some
> > plugins installed in my lib directory, so it's not that "heavy"
> > version with everything installed.  But it might make installing what
> > extras you do need easier.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bill Moseley
> > moseley at hank.org
> >
> >
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