[Catalyst] The home page, the wiki and the mailing list

[Mesdaq, Ali]

Do you really think people are going to list their projects for their
internal tools and portals on a public website? Yes the wiki is way out
of date and poorly maintained but guess what.... the one we have here at
work is also poorly maintained. That's just the nature of the wiki and I
have complained about it before but until I contribute I can't really
complain any further.

DBIC is confusing if you haven't used ORM or similar techniques. I know
I myself have faced a lot of issues with DBIC not being clear or being
too confusing. But when you sit down and think about writing your own
ORM you quickly realize the beauty of having something like that. But
even if DBIC is too confusing you can always just go back to basic DBD
and write your own logic for find_or_create or insert_or_update. 

And I don't think the focus should be on "...post better links and
stories..." for marketing reasons. If anything we just need to document
better probably just use better examples in the documentation. I
personally don't care about the hype factor of catalyst but I do care
about the features and control it provides. But googling people and
saying they shouldn't be quoted is kinda silly in my opinion. That's
like saying who are you to post a message like this on this mailing list
your not qualified to criticize the marketing tactics of Catalyst.

Thanks,
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Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
Security Researcher II
Websense Security Labs
http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ali M. [mailto:tclwarrior at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:38 AM
To: catalyst at lists.scsys.co.uk
Subject: [Catalyst] The home page, the wiki and the mailing list

I just want to draw the attention or to ask,

Why is the wiki so poorly maintained, the list of sites and projects
using catalyst is really umimpressive, are those really all the project
using catalyst? The thing is, from the traffic I see on this mailing
list, I really doubt it, and I really wish that these sites and project
listed on the wiki are not representative.

I even visited the NetHorus link from this wiki and beside the fact that
this seems like a very small one man show project, the author converged
to using RoR because in his own words "Catalyst and DBIx::Class is
proving too difficult for me to code, resulting in a lack of progress
and the danger of de-motivation"

Is catalyst being implemented in more serious place, can someone post
better links and stories, even the ones on the front page sound ...well
...i wont say not to sound mean ... but "totaly dope"!!! ...
really. And who are these people quoted, I googled one or two of them,
they are not major contributors to big FOSS project and they dont work
for large enterprise, why are they quoted!!

Best regards
Ali

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